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Threadul despre religie
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(03-15-2014, 01:59 PM)Marian Wrote: Păi stai puțin. O problemă se rezolvă de la mic la mare. Când ești copil te învață prima dată literele și abia apoi cuvintele. Dacă ți-ar explica o propoziție, tu ai înțelege-o fără să cunoști ce înseamnă cuvintele?

Deci, problema puterii supraomenești o putem rezolva pornind de la o chestie care o cunoștem și anume imposibilitatea chimică a apei de a se transforma în vin. Am ceva dreptate aici?

Conform primei legi a termodinamici, materia nu poate fi creata sau distrusa prin procese naturale. Crearea universului de catre Dumnezeu din nimic este un fenoment supranatural, care nu poate fi explicat de stiinta naturalista (stiinta care respinge existenta supranaturalului). La fel de supranatural este si evenimentul invierii lui Hristos. Daca Dumnezeu chiar a creat universul si tot ce este in el, atunci El a creat si timpul, materia, spatiul, legile fizicii, legile logicii, legile matematicii, etc. Creatorul este mereu mai mare/puternic/intelept/complex/etc decat creatia sa, asa ca El, nefiind constrans de legile de care suntem noi constransi, poate sa faca orice, deoarece este in afara lor, superior lor. Daca acceptam ca Dumnezeu a putut sa Il invie pe Hristos din morti (lucru care contrazice stiinta naturalista care spune ca mortii nu invie, fiind imposibil din punct de vedere biologic) sau ca Dumnezeu a creat universul din nimic (lucru care iar contrazice stiinta naturalista care spune ca materia nu poate aparea din senin), atunci de ce nu am accepta si faptul ca apa poate sa fie transformata de El in vin?

Nu am cum sa dovedesc ca apa se poate transforma in vin, asa ca nu are rost sa plec de la punctul asta. De fapt, acest lucru e imposibil pentru noi, din cate stim. Dar daca as putea cumva sa dovedesc ca Dumnezeul descris in Biblie exista, si ca El a creat totul si a vindecat oameni (lucru imposibil dpdv biologic) si a inviat oameni, si a despartit o mare in doua ca sa poata trece un mare numar de oameni, si multe alte minuni, atunci nu mi se pare greu sa cred ca acest Dumnezeu atotputernic este in stare sa faca un lucru mult mai usor (comparativ cu celelate minuni ale Sale) cum ar fi schimbarea apei in vin.

Biblia sustine ideea ca supranaturalul/minunile exista.
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Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-13-2014, 11:49 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-14-2014, 04:19 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Bogdan - 03-14-2014, 04:26 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-14-2014, 04:54 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Bogdan - 03-14-2014, 06:04 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-14-2014, 06:25 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-14-2014, 08:08 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-14-2014, 08:27 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Warhell - 03-14-2014, 10:48 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-14-2014, 11:49 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-15-2014, 11:02 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Warhell - 03-15-2014, 12:12 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-15-2014, 01:14 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-15-2014, 01:59 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Warhell - 03-15-2014, 01:34 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-15-2014, 02:54 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by meph144 - 03-15-2014, 04:38 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-15-2014, 03:19 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-15-2014, 05:19 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by meph144 - 03-15-2014, 06:26 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-15-2014, 05:20 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-15-2014, 06:52 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-16-2014, 02:19 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Warhell - 03-17-2014, 12:02 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-17-2014, 12:24 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Warhell - 03-17-2014, 08:50 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Edd - 03-17-2014, 09:40 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-17-2014, 11:00 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Warhell - 03-19-2014, 11:06 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by meph144 - 03-21-2014, 04:52 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-21-2014, 07:13 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by cornel - 03-27-2014, 10:04 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-05-2015, 05:04 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Robi - 01-05-2015, 05:17 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-05-2015, 05:24 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-26-2015, 11:44 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-27-2015, 03:26 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-27-2015, 05:12 PM
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RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-27-2015, 05:59 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-31-2015, 03:46 PM
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RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-27-2014, 10:14 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-27-2015, 04:24 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-27-2015, 05:11 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-27-2015, 06:01 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-27-2015, 09:35 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-27-2015, 10:04 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Robi - 01-27-2015, 11:19 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-28-2015, 12:25 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-28-2015, 12:45 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-28-2015, 01:36 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Robi - 01-28-2015, 02:50 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-28-2015, 03:28 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-28-2015, 08:34 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-28-2015, 10:20 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-29-2015, 01:26 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-28-2015, 11:33 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-28-2015, 11:58 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-29-2015, 05:11 PM
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RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-29-2015, 06:23 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-29-2015, 07:51 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-30-2015, 12:10 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-30-2015, 12:52 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Vladeisan - 01-30-2015, 09:47 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 01:34 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-31-2015, 01:57 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Vladeisan - 01-31-2015, 08:53 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 01:37 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 12:05 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-31-2015, 04:40 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 12:10 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Vladeisan - 01-31-2015, 08:30 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 05:36 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-31-2015, 06:02 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 06:50 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-31-2015, 09:51 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 09:30 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Vladeisan - 01-31-2015, 09:56 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 10:43 PM
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RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 02-01-2015, 01:54 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 02-01-2015, 08:29 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Edd - 02-01-2015, 06:33 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 02-01-2015, 08:53 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 02-01-2015, 09:03 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 02-01-2015, 11:05 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 10-31-2015, 06:07 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 11-02-2015, 11:59 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 11-03-2015, 12:07 AM
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