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Threadul despre religie
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(01-31-2015, 04:40 PM)soul of darkness Wrote: De ce anume ma contrazic daca zic da?

Daca Dumnezeu nu exista, atunci nu exista niciun standard moral obiectiv. Cred ca am mai folosit argumentul asta mai demult aici:

1. Daca Dumnezeu nu exista, atunci nu exista nici valori morale obiective.
2. Valori morale obiective exista.
3. Deci, Dumnezeu exista.

Prin valori moral obiective ma refer la acele valori morale care sunt complet independente de parerea oamenilor. De exemplu, a omori evrei este un lucru imoral, si chiar si daca nazistii ar fi reusit sa castige al doilea razboi mondial si sa ii determine pe toti oameni de pe pamant sa creada ca omoratul de evrei este moral, chiar si in situatia aia, a omori evrei ar fi un lucru imoral. Un alt exmplu de un lucru obiectiv este acesta: 2+2 este egal cu 4 chiar si daca toti oameni de pe pamant ar crede ca este egal cu 5. Conform ateismului si evolutiei, a viola pe cineva e un lucru care e nu ar trebui sa se permita intr-o societate civilizata, dar asta nu inseamna ca lucrul acela este un lucru rau sau imoral. In lipsa unui standard care sa ne arate ce este moral si imoral, tot ce ne ramane este subiectivitate, preferinte personale, nimic obiectiv. Tu, ca si un ateu, nu poti spune ca a tortura un copil pentru propria disctractie este un lucru gresit. De ce nu? Pentru ca atunci eu te intreb "De ce e gresit sa torturezi un copil pentru propria distractie?" ... si nu vei reusit sa imi dai un raspuns care sa iti justifice parerea.

Nu zic ca ateii sunt oameni imorali, ci zic ca ateii nu isi pot justifica valorile morale in care cred.

Ideea principala e aceasta: exista unele lucruri morale si exista unele lucruri imorale, si singura explicatie pentru acest lucru este existenta unui standard moral obiectiv care este reprezentat de insasi natura/caracterul lui Dumnezeu. Deci, ori de cate ori un ateu zice ca un lucru este moral sau imoral, el fara sa-si dea seama presupune existenta lui Dumnezeu, de aceea ateismul se contrazice singur.

(01-31-2015, 04:40 PM)soul of darkness Wrote: Potopul si arca lui Noe a existat?

Da, am raspuns la intrebarea asta mai sus...
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Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-13-2014, 11:49 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-14-2014, 04:19 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Bogdan - 03-14-2014, 04:26 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-14-2014, 04:54 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Bogdan - 03-14-2014, 06:04 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-14-2014, 06:25 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-14-2014, 08:08 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-14-2014, 08:27 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Warhell - 03-14-2014, 10:48 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-14-2014, 11:49 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-15-2014, 11:02 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Warhell - 03-15-2014, 12:12 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-15-2014, 01:14 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-15-2014, 01:59 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Warhell - 03-15-2014, 01:34 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-15-2014, 02:54 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by meph144 - 03-15-2014, 04:38 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-15-2014, 03:19 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-15-2014, 05:19 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by meph144 - 03-15-2014, 06:26 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-15-2014, 05:20 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 03-15-2014, 06:52 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-16-2014, 02:19 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Warhell - 03-17-2014, 12:02 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-17-2014, 12:24 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Warhell - 03-17-2014, 08:50 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Edd - 03-17-2014, 09:40 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-17-2014, 11:00 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Warhell - 03-19-2014, 11:06 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by meph144 - 03-21-2014, 04:52 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-21-2014, 07:13 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by cornel - 03-27-2014, 10:04 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-05-2015, 05:04 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Robi - 01-05-2015, 05:17 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-05-2015, 05:24 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-26-2015, 11:44 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-27-2015, 03:26 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-27-2015, 05:12 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-27-2015, 05:23 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-27-2015, 05:59 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-31-2015, 03:46 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 04:36 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 03-27-2014, 10:14 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-27-2015, 04:24 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-27-2015, 05:11 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-27-2015, 06:01 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-27-2015, 09:35 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-27-2015, 10:04 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Robi - 01-27-2015, 11:19 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-28-2015, 12:25 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-28-2015, 12:45 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-28-2015, 01:36 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Robi - 01-28-2015, 02:50 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-28-2015, 03:28 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-28-2015, 08:34 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-28-2015, 10:20 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-29-2015, 01:26 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-28-2015, 11:33 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-28-2015, 11:58 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-29-2015, 05:11 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Hiperboreanul - 01-29-2015, 05:40 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-29-2015, 06:23 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-29-2015, 07:51 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-30-2015, 12:10 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-30-2015, 12:52 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Vladeisan - 01-30-2015, 09:47 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 01:34 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-31-2015, 01:57 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Vladeisan - 01-31-2015, 08:53 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 01:37 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 12:05 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-31-2015, 04:40 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 12:10 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Vladeisan - 01-31-2015, 08:30 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 05:36 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-31-2015, 06:02 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 06:50 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 01-31-2015, 09:51 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 09:30 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Vladeisan - 01-31-2015, 09:56 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 01-31-2015, 10:43 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Vladeisan - 02-01-2015, 10:12 AM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 02-01-2015, 01:54 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 02-01-2015, 08:29 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Edd - 02-01-2015, 06:33 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 02-01-2015, 08:53 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 02-01-2015, 09:03 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 02-01-2015, 11:05 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 10-31-2015, 06:07 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Kristi - 11-02-2015, 11:59 PM
RE: Threadul despre religie - by Szekemri - 11-03-2015, 12:07 AM
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RE: Threadul despre religie - by soul of darkness - 11-04-2015, 11:19 PM
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