Discutii Zilnice #8

[Cryssalis]

daca nui poti convinge da-le lectii.. daca era putin intreg cu caputzu de ce sa sinucis ?

[Szekemri]

Un mic rezumat. Din pacate vor exista persoane incapabile sa inteleaga ca Hitler a fost un psihopat... la fel cum unii chiar cred ca sunt 'urmasi' ai lui Hitler si spera sa readuca in viitor un astfel de regim la viata.

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SpoilerAs debated as Hitler's physical medical issues may be, his mental health is a minefield of theories and speculation. This topic is very controversial, as many believe that if a psychological cause can be found for Hitler's behavior, there would be more reasoning behind his actions.

Waite, who authored an extensive psychohistory of Hitler, concluded that he suffered from borderline personality disorder, which manifested its symptoms in numerous ways and would imply Hitler was in full control of himself and his actions. Others have proposed Hitler may have been schizophrenic[citation needed], based on claims that he was hallucinating and delusional during his last year of life. Many people believe that Hitler had a mental disorder and was not schizophrenic nor bipolar, but rather met the criteria for both disorders, and was therefore most likely a schizoaffective. If true, this might be explained by a series of brief reactive psychoses in a narcissistic personality which could not withstand being confronted with reality (in this case, that he was not the "superman" or "savior of Germany" he envisioned himself to be, as his plans and apparent early achievements collapsed about him). In addition, his regular methamphetamine use and possible sleep deprivation in the last period of his life must be factored into any speculation as to the cause of his possible psychotic symptoms, as these two activities are known to trigger psychotic reactions in some individuals. However, Hitler never visited a psychiatrist, and under current methodology, any such diagnosis is speculation.

Michael Fitzgerald, an expert in autism spectrum disorders, concludes that Hitler suffered from, and met all the criteria of Asperger syndrome as documented by Hans Asperger.[9] As evidence of possible Asperger's, Fitzgerald cites Hitler's poor sleep patterns, food fads, dislike of physical contact, inability to forge genuine friendships, and an emptiness in his human relations. His conversations in the Men's Home in Vienna were really harangues and invited no reciprocity, for which he seemingly lacked capacity. In Munich, Hitler was distant, self-contained, withdrawn and without friends. His comrades noted that he had no humanitarian feelings, that he was single-minded and inflexible. He was obsessive and rarely made good or interesting company, except in the eyes of those who shared his obsessions or those in awe of, or dependent on him.

As far as hobbies or past-times were concerned, Hitler spent a great deal of time examining architectural plans with Albert Speer, an activity that remained a major focus of his life throughout. His other major interest was in the music of Richard Wagner. His greatest interest, clearly, was in control of and power over people.[10]

Fitzgerald further states that Hitler was an ideologue with unshakable convictions, and had a bed compulsion, which demands that the bed be made in a particular way with the quilt folded according to a prescribed pattern, and that a man must make the bed before he could go to sleep. He did not use language for the purpose of interaction with others, but only for the purpose of dominating others. He endlessly engaged in long-winded and pedantic speeches, with "illogical arguments full of crude comparisons and cheap allusions."[10] He was unable to carry on a normal conversation or discussion with people. Even if only one other person was present, he had to do all the talking. His manner of speech soon lost any conversational qualities it might have had and took on all the characteristics of a lecture that easily developed into a tirade. He simply forgot his companions and behaved as though he were addressing a multitude, repeating the same stories over and over again in exactly the same form, almost as though he had memorised them. After the First World War, "his awkward mannerisms" were noted. At that time, he wore his gangster hat and trenchcoat over his dinner jacket, toting a pistol and carrying as usual his dog whip, he cut a bizarre figure in the salons of Munich's upper-crust. But his very eccentricity of dress and exaggerated mannerism saw him lionized by condescending hosts and fellow guests. In his early days, he wore the Bavarian costume. His clothes were not clean; with his mouth full of brown, rotted teeth and his long fingernails, he presented a rather grotesque figure. His gait was a very lady-like walk; dainty little steps. Every few steps he takes his right shoulder nervously, his left leg snapping up as he did so. He also had a tic in his face that caused the corner of his lips to curl upwards. People found his look "staring and dead."

Fitzgerald claims, therefore, that Adolf Hitler met the criteria for autistic psychopathy described by Hans Asperger, and was not schizophrenic.[10] Fitzgerald has claimed that many famous people in history had Asperger's, so some doubt the validity of his (posthumous) diagnoses.

[Warhell]

daca nui poti convinge da-le lectii.. daca era putin intreg cu caputzu de ce sa sinucis ?

Ştii că suferea de Parkinson, şi pe vremea aia nu exista medicament? D-asta el la vârsta sa, arata ca un om de 70-80 de ani...mai avea maxim 2..să zicem maxim 5 ani de trăit.

[Kristi]

Din nou Kristi si Crysalis se baga intr-o discutie depsre care habar nu au...

Daca tu zici, cine sunt eu sa te contrazic... Stii tu daca am studiat eu viata lui Hitler si impactul asupra societatii pe care l-a avut nazismul, pentru ca sa faci o astfel de remarca ?

Invingatorul intotdeauna face istoria. Rasfoiti o carte de istorie de acu 20-30 de ani si dupa aceea cititi-o pe cea care o aveti la scoala. Si o sa vedeti cat de "mult" seamana cele doua.

Ai putea sa ne arati niste exemple de lucruri care s-au schimbat atat de radical in mai putin de 20-30 de ani in cartile de istorie? Si chiar daca s-au schimbat cate ceva, asta ar putea inseamna ca s-au descoperit dovezi noi care au ajutat la elucidarea intr-o anumita masura a unui anume eveniment... te-ai gandit la asta?

Iar la faza cu "Invingatorul intotdeauna face istoria" nu ai dreptate deloc. Ai citit vreo carte de istorie de-a rusilor sau japonezilor ca mai apoi sa o compari cu cea a americanilor?

Hitler nu a fost evreu

Poti dovedi asta? Sau doar crezi ca nu a fost evreu.

[Zamolxis1]

Kristi ca si cu religia nu vei putea aduce nicio remarca, dovada sau chestii cu adevarat clare la acest argument, pur si simplu. Hitler a fost printre marii cuceritori ai lumii, si-anume printre Cezar, Augustus ,Alexandru Macedon, Napoleon...si bine inteles el. Gandeste-te ca oamenii care il inconjurau au revolutionat lumea prin ceea ce faceau. Goebels parca(spuneti-mi daca gresesc...), el a pus bazele propagandei, intr-o campanie electoral, se desfasoara totul dupa principiile lui. Experimentele lui Mendel, nu zic au fost niste chestii groaznice, niste terori la care au fost supusi nist oameni, dar in anii de experimente, a evoluat medicina cat i-ar fi luat sa evolueze in cateva secole bune, sa nu uitam ca nazistii au inventat rachetele, care fara ele, nu s-ar fi efectuat primul zbor in spatiu(facut mai tarzi de rusi), rachete care daca nazistii mai astepatau cativa ani, castigau razboiul . Cuptorul cu microunde era folosit de nemti la o scara mai mare pentru evrei. Iar americanii l-au adaptat pentru a fi folosit pentru incalzirea mancarii soldatilor. Si multe altele...iar faza cu rasa ariana e iarasi o porcarie lansata de invingatori, care spun partial adevarul. Invingatorul a facut si va face intotdeauna istoria, clar. Exemple se pot observa si acum la razboaiele din Iraq, Afghanistan, Libia...in care s-au inventat povesti cu terorismul, numai pentru a avea un motiv sa intre in tara si sa o destabilizeze. Oricum n-vea rost sa tastez atatea cuvinte ca oricum as zice-o n-am cu cine vorbi.

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Nu-mi pasa de doctrina nazista, ci tot ceea ce imi pasa este adevarul...si istoria adevarata.

[Cryssalis]

Hitler a ales sa fie impotriva tuturor cand a ales sa lupte impotriva evreilor. De asta eu consider ca Tara noastra are relatii foarte bune cu Israelul pentru cam reusit sai ascundem de nemti . In orasul meu spre exemplu erau foarte multi evrei,(unul dintre ei, Carol Feldam un scriitor tulcean sia scris viata in perioada razboiului, el fiind un copil) zimi si mie cu ce au gresit oameni aia (rudele lui Feldman care vroiau sa fuga spre Israel cand au fost prinsi si executati de scarbele de Guestup si Ss)?. Nu cred ca un om ca el a influentat istoria "castigătorilor".

[Warhell]

Zamolxis, sunt de-a dreptul uimit. Gata, trebuie să ne întâlnim cât mai curând.

@Cryssalis: Gestapo, nu Guestup.

[Szekemri]

http://www.worldofgothic.ro/forum/showth...2#pid66602

Cateodata urasc sa am dreptate.

Beowulf, termina cu semnaturile asta, ca ma faci sa ma uit la filmul Beowulf.

[BeoWulf]

uitate! o sa fie o calatorie epica cu dragoni si monstri! Gothic style!
dar cea ce il face unic e povestea si replicile si mai ales ca e o animatie 3D si cea mai buna pana acuma iti garantez ca nu ai sa mai vezi o animatie mai buna ca asta

poza din film asta ca nu stiu sa fac spoiler

[Hegan]

1.Zamolxis esti fan nazi?
2. Warhell, ce religie avea Hitler? Ca nu stiu sigur.