Religion Thread

[Kristi]

Atunci cum iti explici ca craniul de om de astazi, nu coincide cu craniul omului de atunci? Avand in vedere ca nu putea evolua atat de repede. Piramidele au aparut prin 3000 i.Hr. nu in 6000 in 6000 oamenii in castateau in cocioabe din lemn asemanatoare cu corturile sau chiar in pesteri si credeau ca suieratul vantului e un demon. Sa fim seriosi ei nici nu descoperisera fierul si vrei sa spui ca se puteau apara in fata unui T-Rex, solzii lui la acele dimensiuni nu cred ca ar fi putut fi strapunsi de nicio sulita nici macar daca era de fier. Si apai daca veneau vreo 2 dinaia? Ledistrugeau satele si pe urma ii manca. Plus ca mai erau hoarde dinalea de reptile(nu le mai stiu numele) care alergau cu o viteza enorma si umblau in hoarde de cate 30-40, gandeste-te ce s-ar fi intamplat daca ar fi intrat intr-o pestera.
Acum 50000 de ani existau tigri cu dinti de sabie. A caror compozitie e mult diferita fata de tigrii din ziua de azi. Plus ca un craniu nu poate evolua in atata timp.
Dupa cum ti-am spus nici stiinta si nici religia nu poate demonstra nimic, numai daca le punem impreuna ajungem la ceva. Ca degeaba iti spun eu ceva sau imi pui tu ceva daca nu aducem nici unul dovezi. Argumentele mele despre istorie mi se par mai plauzibile. Plus ca acele teste nu au fost facute cu carbon. Ei inventasera deja un tip de scriere asemanator cu chineza veche, care de asemenea seamana cu chineza actuala.

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Electricitatea a fost decoperita prin 1700-1800 si ceva...atunci mai vedeau din cand in cand fenomene de elctricitate statica dar atat. Totul era pe scripeti. Pai daca ar fi avut electricitate acum eram in era robotilor. Si probabil formam atmosfera pe Marte.

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Dovedeste-mi ca aceasta chestie cu carbonul este atat de inexacta! Eu nu cred ca are o rata de eroare mai mare de 100 de ani.

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Marja de eroare este de 1000 de ani...am citit acum! Ceea ce dovedeste existenta dinozaurilor.

Normal ca (,) craniul acelor oameni de atunci e diferit de al nostru. La ce te astepti de la niste oameni care traiesc 700-800 de ani ?
Eu sunt de parere ca oamenii din trecut sunt mult mai destepti decat oamenii de acum. Gandeste-te ca Adam a trait ~900 de ani si ca el a fost "programat" de mana lui Dumnezeu, cu abilitatea de a vorbi si de a organiza obiecte si de a se insura inca din prima zi.
Adam a fost in viata pentru aproximativ jumatate din timpul de la creatie pana la potop asa ca imensele sale cunostinte dobandite in sutele de ani de viata puteau fi raspandite copiilor sai (care ar putea fie o suta sau mai multi).
In legatura cu piramidele: anul 3000 I.Hr. = anul 5000 (deci piramidele ar fi putut fi construite chiar si de copiii lui Adam)


Mie mi se pare ca ti-am adus destule dovezi, sigura problema e ca nu vrei tu sa le vezi.

Ar fi multe de spus la tot ce ai scris, dar acum nu prea am chef si se apropie concursul asa ca nu am prea mult timp.

Iar despre radiodatarea cu carbon:

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SpoilerBack in 1949 an article came out in Natural History Magazine that said, “The lower leg of a Mammoth dated 15,000 years old, but the skin dated 21,000 years old. It didn't work in 1949.
1963 - a living mollusc shell carbon dated at 2,300 years old. Well, here we are 14 years later - carbon dating is still not working.
1970 - this article came out and they said, “If a carbon date supports our theories, we put it in the main text, if it is not entirely in contradiction we put it in the footnote. If it's completely out of date we just drop it.”
1971 - a freshly killed seal carbon dated at 1,300 years old. Still not working folks!
1975 - a baby mammoth was found frozen, part of it dated 40,000 years old, another part was 26,000 years old and the wood next to it was 9,000 years old. Still not working in 1975!
1981 - they tried it again. This guy said, “No matter how useful it is; the radio carbon method is still not capable of yielding accurate and reliable results. They are gross discrepancies, the chronology is uneven and relative, and the accepted dates are actually selected dates. This whole blessed thing is nothing but thirteenth century alchemy. It all depends on which funny paper you read.” Still not working!
1984 - Shells from living snails were carbon dated at 27,000 years old. Still not working!
1985 - They took 11 human skeletons, the earliest know human remains in the western hemisphere, and they were carbon dated, or dated by accelerator mass spectrometer, all 11 dated 5,000 radio carbon years or less. Here, these things were supposed to be a quarter of a million years old, or something. It's not working in 1985!
1992 - Two Colorado Creek mammoths, side-by-side, buried frozen mammoths, were dated, one was 22,000 years old, the other is 16,000 years old. Still not working in 1992!
In 1996 - at Berkeley University, they've got the Geochronology Centre - Carl Swisher used the most advanced techniques to date human fossils. This article said, “Last spring, he was re-evaluating Homo Erectus skulls found in Java by testing the sediment found with them. A Hominid species, assumed to be an ancestor of Homo Sapiens, Erectus was thought to have vanished a quarter of a million years ago. Even though he used two different dating methods, Swisher kept making the same startling find: the bones were 53,000 at most and possibly no more than 27,000.” Well, I'd like to point out your honour, that is a 96% error. So, it's not working in 1996 either.