01-07-2015, 10:14 PM
@Mircea, intalnesti un musulman la supermarket, ti se pare un om foarte civilizat si foarte de treaba, apoi ajungi acasa, pornesti televizorul, si vezi ca supermarketul a fost detonat de un alt musulman. Cine reprezinta Islamul? Musulmanul bun sau ala extremist? Asa ca deschizi Coranul la 2:256 si citesti "There is no compulsion in religion" ... asta suna pasnic si tolerant, probabil ca musulmanii pasnici sunt adevaratii adepti ai Islamului. Apoi citesti Coran 9:29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah" ... asta nu suna prea pasnic, probabil ca musulmanii radicali sunt adevaratii reprezentanti ai Islamului. Doveziile indica in directii diferite, deci ce ar trebui sa credem? Daca esti curios de ce musulmanii cer toleranta religioasa in occident, in timp ce crestinii si evreii nu pot construi biserici sau sinagogi in Arabia Saudita, asta e pentru ca Jihad-ul are 3 etape, care sunt influentate de statutul musulmaniilor din societatea respectiva:
1. Jihad-ul secret: cand musulmanii sunt in minoritate intr-o societate, si nu pot sa castige o lupta fizica, ei sunt comandati sa promoveze pacea cu non-musulmanii si sa predice un mesaj de toleranta.
De ex: cand Mohamed si oamenii lui traiau in Mecca, ei criticau religiile localnicilor, dar intr-un mod pasnic. Musulmanii crescutii in occident indica versetul din Coran 109:6 "You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion" ca dovada ca Islamul este o religie pasnica, dar stim din surse islamice ca in timp ce Mohamed predica toleranta religioasa in Mecca, pe ascuns, el deja planuia sa cucereasca lumea in numele lui Allah (The History of al-Tabari, volumul 6, pagina 95).
2. Jihad-ul defensiv: cand musulmanii sunt intr-un numar destul de mare, si au suficiente resurse pentru a-si apara comunitatea islamica, musulmanii sunt comandati sa inceapa Jihad-ul defensiv. Asa ca, odata ce Mohamed si-a facut prieteni printre comunitatiile din afara Meccai, si odata ce comunitatea musulmana a crescut suficient de mult, Mohamed "a primit" o noua revelatie de la Allah sub forma versetelor din Coran 22:39-40 "Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory. [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah .""
Musulmanii din occident vor zice ca Islamul permite doar luptele in mod defensiv, dar revelatiile viitoare ale lui Mohamed arata exact opusul ca fiind adevarat.
3. Jihad-ul ofensiv: cand musulmanii sunt in majoritate si au putere politica intr-o societate, ei sunt comandati sa inceapa Jihad-ul ofensiv. Asa ca, odata ce Mecca si marea parte din Peninsula Arabica au ajuns sub controlul lui Mohamed, acesta "a primit" o noua revelatie de la Allah prin care ii se zice sa lupte impotriva tuturor necredinciosilor. Coran 9:29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
A se observa ca acel verset nu ordona musulmanilor sa lupte impotriva celor care ii ataca, ci acel verset ordona musulmanilor sa lupte impotriva tuturor acelora care nu cred in Allah (inclusiv impotriva crestinilor si evreilor - "those who were given the Scripture").
Sahih al-Bukhari 6924 - Mohamed a zis: "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, 'and whoever said, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', Allah will save his property and his life from me"
Sahih Muslim 20 - "the Messenger of Allah declared: I have been directed to fight against people so long as they do not say: There is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was granted full protection of his property and life"
In Islam exista doctrina abrogarii, prin care versetele ulterioare anuleaza versetele precedente. Capitolul 9 este printre ultimele mari capitole "revelate" de Allah lui Mohamed si el contine versete ca si 29: http://quran.com/9/29
Ajunsi la etapa a III-a, musulmanii nu pot fi prieteni cu crestinii sau evreii:
Coran 5:51 "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Coran 9:30 "And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
Coran 98:6 "Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein. They are the worst of creatures."
Sahih Muslim 4366 "Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”"
Al-Bukhari, Al-Adab al-Mufrad 1103 "Muhammad said: “Do not give the People of the Book the greeting first. Force them to the narrowest part of the road.”"
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Nu imi place deloc cand oamenii generalizeaza, acuzand in acelasi timp oameni nevinovati, dar eu nu generalizez prin postul asta. Recunosc ca sunt multi musulmani pasnici care nu intentioneaza sa omoare pe nimeni, ci vor doar sa traiasca in pace. Exista astfel de musulmani, dar musulmanii astia sunt niste ipocriti, care ori nu isi cunosc propria religie, ori prefera confortul de acasa in schimbul participarii intr-un atac terorist sinucigas. Adevaratii musulmani sunt cei care isi asculta cartea "sfanta", nu cei care o interpreteaza in mod gresit in lumina valorilor morale occidentale.
1. Jihad-ul secret: cand musulmanii sunt in minoritate intr-o societate, si nu pot sa castige o lupta fizica, ei sunt comandati sa promoveze pacea cu non-musulmanii si sa predice un mesaj de toleranta.
De ex: cand Mohamed si oamenii lui traiau in Mecca, ei criticau religiile localnicilor, dar intr-un mod pasnic. Musulmanii crescutii in occident indica versetul din Coran 109:6 "You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion" ca dovada ca Islamul este o religie pasnica, dar stim din surse islamice ca in timp ce Mohamed predica toleranta religioasa in Mecca, pe ascuns, el deja planuia sa cucereasca lumea in numele lui Allah (The History of al-Tabari, volumul 6, pagina 95).
2. Jihad-ul defensiv: cand musulmanii sunt intr-un numar destul de mare, si au suficiente resurse pentru a-si apara comunitatea islamica, musulmanii sunt comandati sa inceapa Jihad-ul defensiv. Asa ca, odata ce Mohamed si-a facut prieteni printre comunitatiile din afara Meccai, si odata ce comunitatea musulmana a crescut suficient de mult, Mohamed "a primit" o noua revelatie de la Allah sub forma versetelor din Coran 22:39-40 "Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory. [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah .""
Musulmanii din occident vor zice ca Islamul permite doar luptele in mod defensiv, dar revelatiile viitoare ale lui Mohamed arata exact opusul ca fiind adevarat.
3. Jihad-ul ofensiv: cand musulmanii sunt in majoritate si au putere politica intr-o societate, ei sunt comandati sa inceapa Jihad-ul ofensiv. Asa ca, odata ce Mecca si marea parte din Peninsula Arabica au ajuns sub controlul lui Mohamed, acesta "a primit" o noua revelatie de la Allah prin care ii se zice sa lupte impotriva tuturor necredinciosilor. Coran 9:29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
A se observa ca acel verset nu ordona musulmanilor sa lupte impotriva celor care ii ataca, ci acel verset ordona musulmanilor sa lupte impotriva tuturor acelora care nu cred in Allah (inclusiv impotriva crestinilor si evreilor - "those who were given the Scripture").
Sahih al-Bukhari 6924 - Mohamed a zis: "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, 'and whoever said, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', Allah will save his property and his life from me"
Sahih Muslim 20 - "the Messenger of Allah declared: I have been directed to fight against people so long as they do not say: There is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was granted full protection of his property and life"
In Islam exista doctrina abrogarii, prin care versetele ulterioare anuleaza versetele precedente. Capitolul 9 este printre ultimele mari capitole "revelate" de Allah lui Mohamed si el contine versete ca si 29: http://quran.com/9/29
Ajunsi la etapa a III-a, musulmanii nu pot fi prieteni cu crestinii sau evreii:
Coran 5:51 "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Coran 9:30 "And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
Coran 98:6 "Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein. They are the worst of creatures."
Sahih Muslim 4366 "Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”"
Al-Bukhari, Al-Adab al-Mufrad 1103 "Muhammad said: “Do not give the People of the Book the greeting first. Force them to the narrowest part of the road.”"
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Nu imi place deloc cand oamenii generalizeaza, acuzand in acelasi timp oameni nevinovati, dar eu nu generalizez prin postul asta. Recunosc ca sunt multi musulmani pasnici care nu intentioneaza sa omoare pe nimeni, ci vor doar sa traiasca in pace. Exista astfel de musulmani, dar musulmanii astia sunt niste ipocriti, care ori nu isi cunosc propria religie, ori prefera confortul de acasa in schimbul participarii intr-un atac terorist sinucigas. Adevaratii musulmani sunt cei care isi asculta cartea "sfanta", nu cei care o interpreteaza in mod gresit in lumina valorilor morale occidentale.