10-03-2013, 11:27 PM
"Doar pentru ca scrie in Biblie?" -> Pai ce alt argument as putea aduce? Eu nu am existat pe vremea aia, si sunt destul de sigur ca nici tu, asa ca nu putem sa folosim decat dovezile din manuscrisele biblice, deoarece ele sunt singurele care vorbesc despre natura si caracterul lui Dumnezeu.
"Cum sa "existe" in afara timpului, spatiului sau materiei? Logic, cum sa existe?" -> Ai citit mica mea analogie copy-pasted de pe un site si postata aici cu cateva posturi mai sus?
"Ce facea Dumnezeu inainte sa inventeze spatiul si materia ? Scria biblia, se juca de-a duhul lampii? " -> Nu stiu. Probably he just was, and that's it. Dar stiu un lucru: Daca creierul meu de 1.5 kg e in stare sa-l cunoasca perfect pe Creatorul universului, atunci acel Creator nu e chiar atat de extraordinar.
"Cum sa "existe" in afara timpului, spatiului sau materiei? Logic, cum sa existe?" -> Ai citit mica mea analogie copy-pasted de pe un site si postata aici cu cateva posturi mai sus?
"Ce facea Dumnezeu inainte sa inventeze spatiul si materia ? Scria biblia, se juca de-a duhul lampii? " -> Nu stiu. Probably he just was, and that's it. Dar stiu un lucru: Daca creierul meu de 1.5 kg e in stare sa-l cunoasca perfect pe Creatorul universului, atunci acel Creator nu e chiar atat de extraordinar.
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Daca tot am inceput cu copy-paste-urile, atunci inca unul in plus nu strica.
Question: "What was God doing before He created the universe?"
Answer: Our finite minds find it hard to comprehend that before the universe was created, God existed alone. We know from John 1:1 that Jesus also existed: “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The preincarnate Christ was intimately united with the Father, so as to partake of His glory and to be appropriately called God. He has Himself explained it in John 17:5: “And now Father, glorify Me with Yourself with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”
We also know that the Holy Spirit was present before we were created. Genesis 1:1 describes the Spirit “hovering over the face” of the dark and formless earth. So, before time even existed, God existed in three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Trinity existed in perfect harmony and flawlessness, having all they needed in one another. David said in Psalms 16:11 that "joy and pleasures forever more" are in the presence of God. That means to be in the presence of God carries with it an overwhelming sense of joy, fulfillment, and pleasure. Before creation, God felt complete joy and fulfillment as He perfectly beheld and communed with Himself. God has and always will experience complete joy because He has complete and perfect knowledge of Himself.
So before He created the universe, God experienced absolute satisfaction in Himself. God dwelt joyfully alone in eternity as the Trinity. These three were together in fellowship with one another from all eternity. They loved each other. We know at some point they discussed the redemption of mankind (Ephesians 1:4-5; 2 Timothy 1:9; John 17:24), but everything else lies in mystery.
Sursa: http://www.gotquestions.org/God-doing.html
Daca tot am inceput cu copy-paste-urile, atunci inca unul in plus nu strica.
Question: "What was God doing before He created the universe?"
Answer: Our finite minds find it hard to comprehend that before the universe was created, God existed alone. We know from John 1:1 that Jesus also existed: “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The preincarnate Christ was intimately united with the Father, so as to partake of His glory and to be appropriately called God. He has Himself explained it in John 17:5: “And now Father, glorify Me with Yourself with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”
We also know that the Holy Spirit was present before we were created. Genesis 1:1 describes the Spirit “hovering over the face” of the dark and formless earth. So, before time even existed, God existed in three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Trinity existed in perfect harmony and flawlessness, having all they needed in one another. David said in Psalms 16:11 that "joy and pleasures forever more" are in the presence of God. That means to be in the presence of God carries with it an overwhelming sense of joy, fulfillment, and pleasure. Before creation, God felt complete joy and fulfillment as He perfectly beheld and communed with Himself. God has and always will experience complete joy because He has complete and perfect knowledge of Himself.
So before He created the universe, God experienced absolute satisfaction in Himself. God dwelt joyfully alone in eternity as the Trinity. These three were together in fellowship with one another from all eternity. They loved each other. We know at some point they discussed the redemption of mankind (Ephesians 1:4-5; 2 Timothy 1:9; John 17:24), but everything else lies in mystery.
Sursa: http://www.gotquestions.org/God-doing.html